Monday, April 8, 2019
Greek Heroes?
Based upon our readings and discussions regarding several Greek Heroes
(Jason/Perseus/Hercules), what patterns are you noticing? Do
you now think differently about the labeling of a hero or heroine?
Argue, explain, and defend. Please complete this blog response during class on 4-11-19.
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The patterns that I am noticing with these Greek Heroes is that they are considered heroes because they are able to accomplish a lot of things that would seem impossible to many. Although they are considered heroes in this way, all of them seem to have bad tempers and actions that they complete that are horrific and selfish and violent. With this I do think differently about defining a hero or a heroine because when I thought go a heroine not only did I think of someone who is brave, strong, and someone who sets out on an adventurous journey like all these heroes but also someone who was kind and did things in the best interest of others. These heroes have all done something that is very bad and they don't seem to be completing these hard tasks for others, they are doing it for themselves. Overall these heroes' patterns have changed my perspective on the labeling of a hero or a heroine because of their violent and selfish acts that I previously thought was not an aspect of a hero.
All of the heroes have a big problem with their pride and they can't have anything that would take it away. They all are violent and they kill lots of monsters to show how great they are. If they don't kill something it ruins their pride which they don't want to happen. If something threatens their pride then they kill it because it proves they are better. They also don't make the best decisions when given one. They end up doing something wrong.
I see a big part of pride in all of the stories but mainly in Hercules. He is very prideful of himself and thinks very highly of himself. It seems to me that it doesn't fit exactly in the label of a hero in my mind because I think if you're a true hero you are humble and not nearly as prideful as many of the heros. A hero should do good deeds and be humble about his or her's strengths and abilities and not gloat and live of of them.
i think a huge patter in the violence is always going to happen with Hercules just because he has all this power and has no other way to get rid of it. also, I think his choices come and go, like there either supper good ideas or horrible Ideas.
Greek heroes and their origin stories all share very similar pieces. All these heroes are highly favored by the gods, either from doing an unnoticed heroic deed or by slaying some monstrous beast. Other patterns are that they must leave their homes, usually due to being exiled or that their mother has been captured. These heroes all endure tasks that would otherwise be impossible, but the gods aid them enough where they can prevail.
All of the heroes and the stories that go along with them have a problem that they overcome, or a conflict that gets resolved. There is always the same base storyline used in the stories. I wouldn't say that a hero needs to have the same storyline as Hercules or Jason, but it does require hero like qualities, which can be seen through the story that is told about the person.
I notice that they are full of himself and yes they do care about people but the only care about how it makes them look yet they do wonderful things to help the humans they mostly care about themselves and take the things they desire.
I've begin to notice that the hero story is practically true for everything regarding Greek Mythology and other characters like Marvel and DC. I think for someone to be labeled a hero in a fictional sense they need to be special or different in their world and also represent good. Many times if they represent something bad they will be considered a villain.
The pattern I'm noticing within these myths is that all of these heroes have to go through many tasks. I think for them to be considered heroes, they have to go through these tasks and succeed, which is why we don't see very many known heroes besides these three.
I notice that not all heroes are always a "hero" for the sake of others, but more so for themselves. Many heroes are selfish and complete their "heroic" actions for themselves. I notice that all of the heroes have a reason for doing what they do, instead of just volunteering for their journey. I think that labeling a hero or heroine should require acts of heroism to others, and not just selfishness.
Some of the patterns I'm noticing are the patterns that were represented in the Hero's Journey, that you have a call to adventure, but they have to pick it up or it never happens. They always go through trials and then become a new person that always helps other people get through tough situations. And honestly, I think my thinkings of the labeling of them is still quite the same, except I know now specifically what they are instead of just a broad statement.
Now that I have read many Greek Hero myths like Jason, Perseus, and Hercules I notice two major trends that the stories have when they start and when they end. At the beginning of all of these myths, the hero would start out a hero, they wouldn't need to train or get strong through trials, they were just born as a hero. At the endings of all the myths, it always ends in some sort of tragedy at the end of Jason his wife Medea had died, at the end of Hercules he dies, this trend is in almost all myths we have read so far. All in all the Greek hero myths start with little strife, lead into a heroic adventure, and always end in great grief.
The pattern i'm starting to notice is that Heroes go through a cycle of trial and errors.They all start off their hero journey with a rough start and it only gets harder for them as they succeed through every trial. Though the heroes still end up rising in the end and doing what was though impossible.
Throughout the myths a common pattern is people going to far lengths for other people. Another pattern in Greek Mythology is Greek heroes and gods thinking very highly of themselves. Heroes in movies are portrayed as mostly good and causing no harm to others but in Mythology the heroes have different traits and act different like Hercules who thinks very highly of himself and is not the greatest person.
A Greek hero is often strong and fearless, they are most of the time related to the gods in some way (like being the product of one of Zuse´s affairs). Heroes are mainly male with some love interest in their stories. The heroes often don´t treat women properly
I noticed that the Hero makes himself into a hero by facing obstacles. The storyline of the classic myth doesn't require a hero to be a good person; all he has to do is go on his journey and face trials. The heroes do, however, meet their downfall because of their pride or because past choices come back to haunt them. While they don't need to behave well to be a hero, they may need to do so to survive.
The patterns that I am noticing with the myths that we have read are that a hero is someone who was born of some supernatural way, whether it be something like golden rain or born from a tree, or born with his brother in a house only he was much stronger. The hero would also have to go on a journey or some quest for this hero to bring good upon the world to bring good upon the world. My definition of a hero was not that special in the first place, I always thought that a hero was defined as someone who went on a journey to bring great things upon this world. However my definition of a hero has changed slightly in adding that they are often born in unnatural ways and has some sort of a guide to help them find out what they must do in their life.
The pattern I noticed is that each of these heros have had to complete some sort of task for them to be heroes. Completing these tasks have gave them their hero status. These tasks may also be the reason why there aren't as many known heroes like Jason, perseus, and hercules. These tasks usually being them overcoming some sort of conflict. I don't think a hero has to be based off of their storyline but I see how the story gives them some sort of a background.
Based on Jason, Perseus, and now Hercules, I am noticing a common personality trait. Being arrogant and full of themselves. Not at all moments though. They can be humble and a true hero, but in the form of danger, they become arrogant and want to do it themselves, no help, "I am strong enough, smart enough, kind enough, I can do it myself". This can lead to some very bad fatal flaws, such as anger, jealousy, and could even cause the hero to hurt someone. For example, Hercules was very prideful and made big mistakes because of that. He ended up killing his wife and family. Labeling a hero not only needs good qualities but some bad ones. A fatal flaw, problem, or fault that drives them to do hero things. All these three people are all human. They have problems because they are not fully god.
Based on Jason, Perseus, and now Hercules, I am finding that the common pattern between all of these heroes is that each of them come from hardships and defeat tasks that seem impossible to the rest of society. Each hero begins their story with a reason to go on a journey. The journey then has the hero defeat monsters, other people, and even themselves. Then at the end of this journey each hero goes home in one way or another, whether it be through death, marriage, or physically returning to their home.
The patterns i have noticed most are based off the same story line, a hero and their flaws and all the hard work they do in order to gain people trust, and their labors. for example Hercules and Jason both and something they needed to cover come.
Mheret Tatek
After learning more about the greek arcahtype of a hero i have come to realize that back in those days, the hero and protagonist were the same thing,; however, now, the term protagonist and the idea of the hero have separated. Because though the story may be about the protagonist, that doesn't make them the hero of the story; seeing as heroes and heroines are often defined by courage, nobility and following a moral code.
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